Alfa Romeo 8c Competizione

147nos":2p80j1nh ha detto:
falconero79":2p80j1nh ha detto:
concordo in parte con nos...

creando una 8c modesta si andrebbe a snaturare il progetto originario... perdendo fascino

un po' come è stato fatto con la brera

Oddio in effetti la brera è stata snaturata davvero ma non tanto per colpa della mancanza del V8 che la belva di giugiaro aveva sotto il cofano ma perchè sono state date sembianze da Brera ad una 159 corta a mio parere, così ne è venuta una brutta copia (non brutta in senso assoluto ma rispetto al prototipo) e dato anche il peso e la massa della berlinona 159 il risultato è stato quello che tutti abbiamo visto, perdendo tanto fascino.

Però concedimi di dire che una 8c, lasciata pari pari come adesso, a parte l'utilizzo del carbonio e dei materiali nobili e costosi, con un V6 piu modesto ma attenzione NON il cangurone, sennò siamo punto e accapo, ovviamente perderebbe quell'appeal da super car da 450cv ma secondo me non ne snaturizzerebbe troppo il fascino, non credi? ;)

se lasciata pari pari sono d'accordo con te... ma, a mio avviso non sarebbe rimasta così (ovvio carbonio ed altri materiali nobili a parte) se il prezzo si attesterebbe sui 50000 euro :OK)

avrebbero trovato delle altre soluzioni per rendere più facile e veloce da costruire e da riparare... non dimentichiamoci che una macchina da 50000 euro va fatta in serie... mentre una da 140000 ci si può permettere il lusso di farla a "mano" come avviene con maserati e ferrari... :OK)

la brera ha perso fascino (occhio che non sto dicendo che è brutta... anzi... solo che il prototipo aveva quel che in più da lasciare semplicemente a bocca aperta :love) ) oltre per adattarla al progetto 159 visto che il pianale è quello... anche per aver perso la trazione posteriore ed aver rivisto completamente il frontale per renderla più semplice da costruire e da riparare :OK)
 
Si probabilmente non sarebbe rimasta così uguale uguale ma con impegno e passione volendo si potrebbe anche fare, ovviamente non cercando di adattare quella carrozzeria sopra ad un altra auto per risparmiare pianale e interni!
Sogno la 8c in larga serie, la 8c che rimanga lei ma con una motorizzazione sportiva d'attacco alle coupè medie, vedi cayman..ma anche Z4 coupè M, altra vettura da 60mila euro..la 8c per come è adesso può giusto andar bene per una serie limitata che andrà a ruba ma se fosse realizzata in larga scala a quel prezzo secondo me alla lunga ci si andrebbe in rimessa, perchè 140mila euro sono davvero troppi per un'alfa..niente da togliere al marchio glorioso ma con quella cifra aimè..c'è una certa ferrariF430 (152mila se nn erro), per non parlare della 911GT2 e turbo, la lambo gallardo e tante tante altre..ma la sfida è talmente improponibile per alfa romeo che ci poteva stare appunto solo un limited edition, a questo punto volendola fare in larga scala il mio discorso non farebbe una piega..e secondo me sarebbe un successone, quante cayman venderebbero con una quel capolavoro di stile della 8c? :nuovi010)
 
bella bella bella

solo che qualcosa nn mi convince, nn so bene cosa

mi sembra + povera del prototipo, sarà a causa della vernice meno bella :ka)
 
e' super la 8c
anche io concordo con il fatto di farla piu ""popolare"" ed investire di piu su 147, gt, brera, sull'azienda stessa e sull'assistenza.. se no continuiamo ad avere 147 e gt impoverite assistenza cara ma costretta a "tagli" ed assunzioni giu a pomigliano a tempo
 
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sakiss":17d5vwfo ha detto:
Production Version
http://www.km77.com/marcas/alfa/2007/8c/gama/g01.asp

4.691 cm³-->450hp/7000rpm
470 Nm/4750rpm

Quanto è bella?!??!?!

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ma non so se avete notato anche voi... la 8c non avrà l'apertura del bagagliaio?
 
It's the first model to be fitted with the new V8 of Alfa-Maserati-Ferrari...in versions of 4.5/4.7lt it will replace current 4.3/4.2lt in future ferrari/maserati models.The gearbox will be type selespeed in it's last evolution same with that of 599 GTB.

Alfa 8C Competizione, world premiere
The definitive version of the gorgeous exclusive Alfa 8C Competizione, Gran Turismo car that is to be produced in a limited edition makes its debut in Paris. The car, designed by Alfa Romeo, is directly derived from the concept car that aroused such admiration at the 2003 Frankfurt Motor Show and has benefited from the best technical and industrial know-how that the Alfa-Maserati Sports Centre can offer. The cooperative venture between both manufacturers was conducted with a view to ensuring integration between the Alfa Romeo design departments and the Maserati production departments.
The 8C Competizione is inspired by Alfa Romeo’s glorious past, projecting its brand values of technology and emotion into the future. The historical allusions begin with the evocative name, recalling the great sporting tradition of Alfa Romeo. The 8C code was used to identify cars (racing and on-road) of the Thirties and Forties equipped with the revolutionary eight cylinder engine produced by the famous designer Vittorio Jano. The term ‘Competizione’ is intended as a homage to the ‘6C 2500 Competizione’, a sports coupé driven in 1950 by the duo Fangio and Zanardi in the famous Mille Miglia race.
The name, ‘8C Competizione’ is not an arbitrary invention but a distinctive mark of Alfa Romeo’s own sporting history. A veritable legend that has arisen out of the innumerable victories won on circuits throughout the world through the skill of men and their passion for racing, engine research and advanced technology and a reawakened taste for new challenges.
This link with the values of Alfa Romeo’s history adds extra poignancy to the term ‘Competizione’; when projected into the future it represents the sense of constant dynamism that distinguishes a brand engaged in a quest for excellence, increased competitiveness and technological innovation. This is the explanation behind the role of the new car, which is not a point of arrival but a point of departure designed to reaffirm Alfa Romeo’s unique place in the world: its ability to match a thrilling shape to driving satisfaction.

Styling and aerodynamics: tradition and innovation
The attractive shape created by the Alfa Romeo Style Centre makes this car with its two bucket seats unique in the Gran Turismo scenario. The designers have worked hard to ensure that the aerodynamic and performance demands have not altered the car’s original concept. The style maintains an incredibly clean shape, uncluttered by any element interfering with the overall harmony.
The solutions introduced on the Alfa 8C to achieve the highest levels of aerodynamic efficiency are not limited to the shape. Air wraps around the car and follows its natural course, unhindered by corners and unevenness. All the pillar and glass surfaces and profiles together with the door mirror shape and position have been optimised by mathematical modelling and also by wind tunnel tests and tests on actual models. Much attention has been devoted to the creation of a ground effect that has allowed a negative Cz (lift coefficient) to help increase stability at high speed, as on racing cars.
The compact dimensions concentrate the aggression of a car designed to ensure maximum driving efficiency.
The car surfaces are highly sculpted and skilfully moulded. In detail, the body is given extra dynamism by the horizontal furrow cut into the side above the front wheelarch. The big wheels and powerful musculature of the rear wings emphasise the model’s personality and strength without detracting from the lines that flow smoothly, almost as though to underscore the formal good looks of the individual exterior details: the drop-shaped headlight embedded, gem-like, in the front wing, the led tail-lights that are a blend of technology and rationalism, the spare door handle. The front end still displays the distinctive Alfa Romeo traits, with a new interpretation of the ‘whiskers’ and shield.
The innovative shape heralds the details and proportions of future Alfa Romeo cars but is also redolent with past thrills and historical allusions: the 33 Coupé Stradale, the Giulia TZ and many other great names of motoring history. The Alfa Romeo style centre also developed new colours to emphasise the shape of the 8C Competizione that match the car’s sinuous shape while also suggesting modernity and a hint of technology.

8 cylinder 4.7 engine: Italian ‘belcanto’
The engine is the beating heart of any Alfa Romeo. In this case it takes the form of a brand new 90° V 8 cylinder unit with a cylinder capacity of 4691 cc that was designed with one aim in mind: to ensure extraordinary performance while still offering a smooth drive and being usable in all circumstances, from the track to city traffic.
The top engine performance figures may be summarised as a maximum power output of 450 bhp at 7000 rpm, a peak torque of 470 Nm at 4750 rpm and a top speed of 7500 rpm.
The layout of internal fluid movements and the cylinder head cooling system is designed to achieve high duct permeability and effective intake load cooling to maximise volumetric efficiency and engine performance.
Harmonisation of the intake and exhaust geometry together with the introduction of continuous variable valve timing on the intake camshafts and optimisation of the combustion chamber and engine calibration means that 80% of torque is available from 2000 rpm.
In sporty driving conditions over mixed routes, the power unit offers impressively short response times due to the high permeability of the intake duct and the low inertia of the flywheel-twin plate clutch system.
A crankshaft with counterweights at 90°, fully balanced through careful selection of connecting rods and pistons, ensures the engine runs with low vibration levels.
The engine block and base assembly is in aluminium with 5 main bearings to ensure the structure is very rigid with little loss due to friction. The cylinder heads are also in aluminium alloy.
All the ducts (water, oil, secondary air) are cast directly into the engine to produce a system with great rigidity, low dimensions and guarantees of safe installation, i.e. great reliability.
Casting accessory systems into the main engine casting and the use of very rigid, thick-walled components ensures that little noise radiates from the engine and the components are very reliable.
Longitudinal engine packaging has also received particular attention, as evidenced by the introduction of a single chain timing system that guarantees exceptional lifetime dependability.
Special attention has also been devoted to the acoustic definition and tuning of the intake and exhaust in the quest for a sound timbre that enhances the car’s character and makes it unmistakable. The result is a full, distinctive sound, emphasised by the permeable intake system and an exhaust system with electronically controlled valves that enhance the car’s sound without infringing any type-approval or environmental constraints.

Transmission, robotised gearbox and self-locking differential
The engineers used a layout familiar from other Alfa Romeo cars on the 8C Competizione: the transaxle architecture with gearbox at the rear that is an acknowledged asset of Alfa Romeo cars. This layout allows outstanding dynamic performance while also offering the active safety for which Alfa Romeo cars are fabled.
The engine-gearbox unit is designed in accordance with a transaxle configuration that ensures the weight distribution is very effective for vehicle handling. Due to the small axial engine size and the integration with frame components from the drawing board, the entire power unit can be housed well back to ensure the required sporty configuration.
The 6–speed gearbox with computerised speed selection by means of levers behind the steering wheel is designed to ensure ultra-slick gear shifts and may be used in Manual-Normal; Manual-Sport; Automatic-Normal; Automatic-Sport and Ice modes. The self-locking differential allows acceleration and stability to be managed with extraordinary efficiency in all situations.

Suspension, wheels and braking system
In the very best Alfa Romeo tradition, the engineering is directly derived from the race track. The suspension on the new model is no exception, with a double wishbone layout, forged aluminium axle carrier and arms and extra strut for toe-in control.
The braking system offers perforated, ventilated discs with aluminium brake callipers to ensure prompt, effective braking even with heavy use. To ensure the car stays glued to the road, it is fitted with 20” tyres specially developed to ensure outstanding performance: 245/35 at the front and 285/35 at the rear, fitted on perforated rims in fluid moulded aluminium to ensure lightness and maximum brake ventilation efficiency.
To ensure the car is entertaining and safe in any driving condition, the 8C Competizione comes with the latest Alfa Romeo VDC, an advanced stability and traction control system to ensure the driver feels at one with his car.

Rigid, light structure
A rigid, light structure is the rule when configuring a good high performance car. This is also the guiding principle behind the 8C Competizione. In detail, the compact frame is in steel to achieve the greatest torsional rigidity to ensure an accurate, safe drive at all times while the body is in carbon fibre. This choice was motivated by the need to minimise weights while also optimising the car’s centre of gravity for better agility and handling on demanding routes.

Interiors: personality and technology
The car’s distinctive look comes from extensive use of composite materials on the facia and interior panels. This is a technical choice but also reinforces the car’s spirit and emphasises its personality. The same thinking lies behind the adoption of anatomical seats made out of carbon fibre that can be adjusted and customised on the basis of the driver’s physical characteristics (a facility previously reserved for racing cars).
Everything is designed and produced to ensure the greatest user-friendliness for the driver and whoever is lucky enough to share the thrill: relaxed driving position, intuitive instruments that are always visible, robotised gear levers secured to the steering column and easy to reach without removing your hands from the sporty steering wheel.
The carefully-crafted and detailed finish naturally allows the car to be customised to the driver’s taste and a choice of different interior environments is available.

The absolute satisfaction of a sporty drive
To see it is to love it: wide tyres, low-slung ride and styling of poised aggression. To die for, in fact. Hear the engine and weep: a full, convincing throaty roar. Now all that remains is to sit behind the wheel, engage first gear and you are off to try out your Alfa 8C Competizione. You are left with one doubt: how will you drive a sports model whose bonnet conceals a 4700 cc eight cylinder engine hat unleashes 450 bhp of power and 470 Nm of torque when you touch the accelerator. The unexpected answer is: with great ease - even more easily, simply and instinctively than your normal car in fact. Provided you allow yourself the time and satisfaction (because this is about pleasure, after all) of getting used to the more direct controls and prompter responses: the sort you could only expect from a true sports car on mixed routes or – even more so – on the track where speed and transverse acceleration are much more controllable.
The new Alfa 8C Competizione is self-avowedly an Alfa in its uncompromising sense of control and driving satisfaction. Driving comfort and dynamic behaviour have always been specific features of Alfa Romeo cars: on this car, they amount to a real strength.

Alfa 8C Competizione: a legendary name for a unique car

Since the very beginning, the Alfa Romeo spirit has been driven by a constant quest for technical perfection, achieving performances that are better and better. This is all about the engine: the beating heart of every Alfa Romeo car. Racetracks throughout the world have provided the perfect backdrops for truly unique technical and technological progress, with Alfa Romeo always occupying the highest position on the winners’ podium.
The key to Alfa Romeo’s engineering prominence was the 8 cylinder engine developed during the first half of the Twenties by a young engineer named Vittorio Jano. His original brief was to revise the 6 cylinder engine to meet the needs of standard production model buyers and also to stand up to the competition offered by rival manufacturers in races.
The first 8C was tested in 1923, with the P1, already fitted with a compressor and twin spark ignition, and then the P2. Its debut could not have gone better: in 1925 the Alfa Romeo P2 won first place in the first World Championship. The positive effects of these innovations were not restricted to the engines of production cars but the glory of this result was included in the ‘Alfa Romeo – Milan’ badge in the form of the laurel crown that was to adorn all Alfa Romeo cars from that day on.
At the beginning of the Thirties, the powerfully reliable 8 cylinder engines – now in light alloy – purred like cats under the bonnets of stylish cabriolets and coupes (whose bodies were built by the Milanese Zagato and Castagna) and roared like lions in the dust of races such as the Mille Miglia and Targa Florio, that added to the impressive list of victories. The thrilling wins achieved by the Alfa Romeo 8C in 1931, 1932, 1933 and 1934 at Le Mans deserve special attention (the car was later called the ‘Le Mans’ in the wake of these great successes).
The 8 cylinder engine achieved its technical peak in the Alfa Romeo Tipo B engine, known as the ‘P3’ to highlight its technological relationship with the P2. Campari, Nuvolari, Caracciola, Borzacchini, Marinoni, Guidotti and Fagioli were just some of the champions who owed their successes to the 1932 and 1934 versions of the 8C engine in the face of the challenges posed by the most prestigious circuits in the world.
The continual progress and consistent technical research culminated in the 8C 2900, the unbeaten star of racing from the Mille Miglia to the Le Mans 24 hour. The car, an extremely stylish 8C with its body built by Touring especially for Le Mans, was driven peerlessly by its driver Biondetti. This engine was exceptionally long-lived: an 8C 2900 B driven by Biondetti and Romano won the Mille Miglia again in 1947, proving yet again and over an exceptionally arduous route, that Alfa Romeo engines were possessed of truly extraordinary power and reliability.
World War II only halted the victorious progress of the 158 for a short period. The legendary ‘Alfetta’, a distillate of superlative automotive engineering qualities, first saw the light in 1946. In the words of Juan Manuel Fangio, driving this 8 cylinder car was like ‘holding the bow of a Stradivarius in your hands’. First the 158 and later the 159 brought Alfa Romeo laurels in the first two modern Formula 1 world championships, with Nino Farina in 1950 and with Fangio in 1951.
After the Formula 1 victories, Alfa Romeo decided to withdraw from racing to devote itself to the demands put on it by its latest arrival, the 1900 and later the Giulietta range. 1967 saw the return of the powerful 8 cylinder engine fitted to racing 33 models and responsible for the attractive, resolute shape of the road version of the 33. This car also enjoyed a very encouraging racing debut, with Teodoro Zeccoli taking top position on the winners’ podium after the uphill race in Fleron, Belgium, in a 33/2 Sport Prototype.
Other 33 cars met with considerable success on tracks and circuits throughout the world during the Seventies. This technical perfection was transferred to standard production cars such as the Montreal, a car of great prestige and performance, whose 8 Cylinder engine was derived from the unit fitted to the 33 models used for racing. In 1977, the 8 cylinder engine was fitted to a limited series of the Alfetta GTV, produced by Autodelta which thus continued the sporting tradition applied to engine production.
Now the legendary heart of that engine comes back to beat under the bonnet of the new Alfa 8C Competizione.
 
147nos":2z3j1r66 ha detto:
stenmark":2z3j1r66 ha detto:
Faccio un po' di fantalfaromeo:

considero la Brera molto bella, ma concettualmente sbagliata (non è né un 2+2 sportivo, né un coupé comodo tipo BMW serie 3), e comunque tende un po' a sovrapporsi con il GT, che invece considero molto più indovinato come progetto.

Piuttosto avrei investito sulle motorizzazioni del GT (benzina e diesel), magari facendo la versione spider.
Dunque niente Brera, ma una simil 8C posizionata a livello della Porsche Cayman. Un bel 2 posti a trazione posteriore a un livello di prezzo di circa 60 mila euro.

Che ne pensate?

Ti quoto riga per riga!!!! :handclap) :handclap) :handclap)

Ma soprattuto ho sempre pensato e mi fa piacere che non sono l'unico a pensarlo che una 8c molto piu modesta, sul livello della caymanS, da circa 60mila euro, con un bel V6 di 3 litri circa da 300/350HP circa (NON il V6 canguro ma uno nuovo sviluppato interamente da Alfa romeo), leggera e quindi prestazionale avrebbe veramente soddisfatto gli alfisti senza tante storie, non i 500 ricconi (non alfisti) che si prenderanno la vera 8c per 140mila euro per collezionarla, visto che oltre ad essere fantastica prenderà probabilmente anche parecchio valore in futuro essendo limitata nella tiratura! Alla fine questa sarebbe stata la scelta giusta delle coupè del listino alfa:

1) Alfa GT restyling 2+2

Upgrate motori + potenti e attuali (turbo benzina rulez) vedi M-Jet 175cv , 2.4M-Jet 210cv..

Quindi la piu bella e venduta coupè dalla sua uscita ad oggi rinnova nella tecnica e resa quindi piu appetibile.

2) Niente brera
Al suo posto:

Alfa 8c competizione 2 posti secchi, coupè sportivo ai massimi livelli ma siccome il gruppo fiat ha già maserati e ferrari, avrei collocato questa 8c un pò piu in basso, in stretta concorrenza con la caymanS e il top di gamma BMW-Audi etc.

3) Versioni spider per 8c e CC per alfa GT.

Si sarebbero delineate due coupè ben distinte, la GT piu popolare, con motori diesel molto richiesti, piu versatile, comoda e cmq molto molto affascinante e appetibile rinnovata nei motori e una coupè PURA, dal vero stile alfa romeo in produzione normalmente da diventare il nuovo riferimento del segmento con stile e prestazioni al top (ergo fra la linea della 8c vs cayman non c'è storia, prenderei la 8c anche se a parità di cavalli e/o prestazioni inferiori avesse un costo piu alto).
Sarebbe stata una 8c costosa ma pur sempre quasi accessibile..e sinceramente avrei fatto carte false per averla..mentre la'attuale 8c è fantastica ma irraggiugibile e quindi quasi "inutile", sappiamo che non è inutile per la questione della rivalutazione del marchio..ma poi a NOI stringi stringi ci rimane la brerona che tutt'al piu si sovrappone alla GT con medesime prestazioni..o meglio inferior prestazioni e inferior versatilità e comodità (4 posti veri).

Bene NOS, possiamo proporci a Marchionne per gestire l'Alfa nei prossimi anni. Io comando nei giorni pari, tu i dispari :asd)

Comunque, più la guardo e più mi convinco: questa auto a 60mila euro e con un motore da 300 cavalli avrebbe veramente spaccato!

Peccato!
 
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8C Competizione
Mito e tecnologia

Debutta al Salone di Parigi la nuova supersportiva Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione. Nata dal prototipo presentato nel 2003 al Salone di Francoforte, sarà prodotta in edizione limitata. La nuova berlinetta a due posti “secchi”, disegnata dal Centro Stile Alfa Romeo di Arese, è una granturismo senza compromessi.

Concepita nei minimi particolari per esaltare le prestazioni e il piacere di guida. La struttura, leggera e resistente, impiega un telaio in acciaio, unito a una scocca in fibrati carbonio. Il motore è un inedito otto cilindri a V di 90° di 4,7 litri, capace di erogare 450 cavalli. La trazione è posteriore, con il cambio - robotizzato a sei marce - collocato in posizione posteriore in blocco con il differenziale per una migliore distribuzione delle masse. Lo stesso schema delle leggendarie monoposto Alfetta, per due volte Campioni del Mondo di Formula 1. Le sospensioni sono a quadrilateri deformabili, come le vetture da pista. Anche le gomme sono state scelte per ottenere il massimo delle prestazioni: ultraribassate, sono montate su cerchi da 20” e sono più ampie al retrotreno (283/35 contro 245/35).

Alla forte personalità tecnologica della 8C Competizione è abbinata una carrozzeria altrettanto suggestiva. Che evoca in chiave moderna le forme di alcune grandi Alfa da corsa del passato, dalla 33 Coupé Stradale alla Giulia TZ. La ricerca aerodinamica ha permesso di ottenere una elevata penetrazione, unita a un effetto di deportanza che migliora l’aderenza e la stabilità.

Il 26 settembre, non perdere il video Fascination della 8C. Nella sezione Gallery/Video del sito www.myalfaromeo.it potrai vedere in anteprima il modello, che sarà presentato il 28 settembre.
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