Re: Ok Sakiss...
Luca C.":10z8ywmb ha detto:
è vero. In effetti l'Alfa tende ad alzare un pò i dati di accelerazione e ripresa oppure sono dati veritieri. La Bmw dichiara le prestazioni in ripresa e accelerazione in condizioni di massima efficienza motoristica e ambientale e non indica una media delle varie prove ma il dato massimo dichiarato. Questo detto da un concessionario BMW. Ciao!
Luca
Respect Luca the most historical manufacture in the world
159 will kick some german ASHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have driven 320 and Gt coupe 2.0jts is a lot sport and quicker car than electronic bmw.
The numbers for AUTOMATIC and MANUAL gearbox are different.
Check out the new article for 159 in italiaspeed.Mr Taurus has given those numbers 1 month before italiaspeed.
And Luca....Don't forget Uniair in 2007,the inovation of the decate.....Valvetronic will look like an old variable system of valves!
http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPOD ... =EP1378638
Also 159....Has got the better chassis stiffness and the fastest line change in it's category.
Vectra A .................. 88 ............................................ 6.000
BMW 3 sedan ......... 91 ............................................ 11.000
BMW E46 3 sedan ... 98 .......................................... 18.000
BMW 5 .. sedan ...... 95 ............................................ 24.000
BMW 7 .. sedan ...... 01 ............................................ 30.000
BMW Z3 ...................................................................... 5.600
BMW Z4 .................................................................... 14.500
MINI ........................ 01 ........................................... 24.500
Merc S-Class........... 98 ........................................... 27.500
ASTON MARTIN .. VANGUISH ................................... 28.500
CRYSHLER CROSSFIRE .......................................... 20.140
LAMBO .... GALLARDO ............................................ 23.000
LAMBO .... MURCIELAGO ........................................ 20.000
PAGANI ZONDA ...................................................... 26.500
OPEL Vectra ............. 02 ......................................... 18.000
SAAB 9.3 Sedan ....................................................... 22.000
SAAB 9.3 Convertible .............................................. 11.500
RENAULT Spyder ...................................................... 10.000
LOTUS ELISE ............................................................ 11.000
Rolls-Royce Phantom ................................................ 40.000
Α2 ..................................................................... 14,2 kNm/deg
A8 ..................................................................... 25,0 kNm/deg !!!
Focus 3d .......................................................... 22,5 kNm/deg !!
Focus 5d .......................................................... 19,5 kNm/deg
Golf IV 3d ......................................................... 19,6 kNm/deg
Golf IV 5d ..........................................................17,9 kNm/deg
Celica TS .......................................................... 13,6 kNm/deg
147 3d ............................................................... 16,6 kNm/deg
Tipo 1.6 5d ....................................................... 11,3 kNm/deg
Civic EK 2d ...................................................... 10,7 kNm/deg
Alfa 159 ........................................................... 31,4 kNm/deg
The fastest LANE CHANGE = 135 km/h
https://alfavirtualclub.it/public/159lane.jpg
4ws
http://www.italiaspeed.com/2004/cars/al ... /1810.html
3 torcen 3generation compared to quattros cheap solution with one torsen b generation.
Also we have the return of aluminum engine and ofcourse the chain.
M6/S6=manual,selespeed 6g.
AS6=Automatic 6g.
3.2JTS Q4 M6/S6 6"2 250
3.2JTS Q4 AS6 7"0 240
2.4JTDm M6 7"5 235km/h
2.4JTDm AS6 8"4 228km/h
2.2JTS M6/S6 7"7 230km/h
1.9JTS M6/S6 9"0 220km/h
1.9JTDm M6 9"4 220km/h
1.9JTDm M6 11"0 200km/h
159 3.2 vs Bmw 330 vs A4 3.2 vs Merc C350
AR 159 2.4JTDm M6 7"5 235km/h 200 CV
Audi A4 2.5 TDI M6 8"8 227km/h 160 CV
Audi A4 3.0 TDI quattro M6 7"2 235km/h 204 CV
MB C 270 CDI M6 8"9 230km/h 170 CV
AR 159 1.9JTDm M6 9"4 220km/h 150 CV
BMW 320d M6 8"3 225km/h 163 CV
Audi A4 2.0 TDI M6 9"7 212km/h 140 CV
MB C 220 CDI M6 10"1 224km/h 150 CV
AR 159 1.9JTDm M6 11"0 200km/h 120 CV
MB C 200 CDI M6 11"7 208km/h 122 CV
AR 159 1.9JTS M6/S6 9"0 220km/h 160 CV
BMW 320i M6 9"0 220km/h 150 CV
Audi A4 1.8 TFSI M6 8"6 225km/h 163 CV
MB C 200 K M6 9"1 234km/h 163 CV
Until the new 2.8-230hp will come we put to the comparison the new 2.2!
AR 159 2.2JTS M6/S6 7"7 230km/h 185 CV
BMW 325i M6 7"5 245km/h 218 CV
Audi A4 2.0 TFSI M6 7"3 241km/h 200 CV
MB C 230 K M6 8"1 240km/h 192 CV
The goods on the Brera/159 engine?
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So, what do you guys think are the GOOD things about this engine? Although for me, it feels more like a GM engine with a touch of Alfa Romeo sprinkled here and there I know that once I get away from that point, there are (supposedly) some promising things going on here. This article was taken from italiaspeed.com.
"A product of the recently terminated Fiat-GM Powertrain joint venture, the new 3.2 litre V6 engine is built in Melbourne, Australia, alongside variants for various GM marques, and is supplied to Italy as a complete assembly to be fitted to cars on the production line.
The new V6 engine has been welcomed with mixed emotions by Alfa Romeo enthusiasts, despite the engine not yet having been trialed by the media.
Feedback from members who have driven the new Alfa Romeo 159 and Brera models fitted with the engine have, however, relayed a very positive note, expressing that the cars were characterized with ‘impressive performance and smoothness’. The engine is uniquely different from any of the other variants of the GM V6 engine range, and can be described as a true Alfa Romeo gem, with the majority of components having been redesigned around the bare block.
As described by the leader behind the technical development centre at Alfa Romeo, Paulo Massai, the block itself can be regarded as an “insensitive and inanimate piece of metal”, with the features that determine the true soul of the engine having been fully engineered from the ground up.
Skepticisms about the GM connotations of this engine should thus be swept under the carpet, as the engine features a brand new cylinder head, new liners, pistons, manifolds and injection system, to name but a few of the changes.
One of the issues closest to the heart of Alfisti will be how this new engine sounds, with the original Arese built V6 playing an almost trademark soundtrack. Alfa Romeo engineers worked day and night with the quest to achieve an engine note worthy of the Alfa Romeo V6 badge, and the presence of a twin tail-pipe exhaust system will certainly complement this nicely.
The so-called Twin Phaser engine uses the second-generation lean burn, direct fuel injection JTS system that was pioneered on the 2.0 litre 4-pot JTS engine in the successful Alfa Romeo 156. Reduced to practical figures, this technical jargon signifies that the new V6 engine will be 40% more economical, and produce 22 Nm more torque than the original Alfa Romeo V6 engine that it is replacing. Power output has now increased to 260 bhp.
Compared to the over-square Arese V6, which was appreciated for delivering generous mid-range grunt, the new 3.2 V6 has an almost unit bore-to-stroke ratio, which allows for 88% of torque to be available from 2000 rpm. In combination with the third generation all-wheel-drive Torson C system, the Alfa Romeo 159 and Brera V6 models will feature exuberant temperament, with little effort being required.
All of these improvements have to be summed up against critique, however, and in the case of the new V6 engine this comes in the form of under-bonnet looks. The original Alfa Romeo V6 was, quite simply put, a work of art. In the case of the new V6 engine though, the looks are not worth writing home about.
A future variant of the new V6 engine worth keeping an eye out for is the twin-turbo GTA model, which will feature the brand new UNIAIR variable valve technology, and boast a power output of 405 bhp and 680 Nm of torque."
