alfa romeo 159.... vs .... bmw serie 3-----primissimo confroonto
- Autore discussione fabivio
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New V6....better than the traditional v6-arese with the same melody......
Autocar
"The engines - all of them- feel exactly like Alfa engines should. The V6 you could easily mistake for the outgoing unit, with the same all-encompassing smoothness and wide power band, the same growl progressing into a snart when you ask for serious power, except that there's more of it now. This is a serious rival for the finest BMW straight six and performance is well up to the class standard
http://view.fiatautopress.com/photo/1/106-2-4131.jpg
After 4 cars review......autocar wrote for 159-we found the reason not to by german car....as a verdict
The throne of Bmw3 is trembling...
After 4car,Autocar lets see what autoexpress has written?
Alfa Romeo 159
Should Italy's most famous sporty saloon be better than Germany's? Alfa says its 159 - the eagerly anticipated replacement for the 156 - has got what it takes to finally beat the BMW 3-Series; and there is good reason for the firm's optimism.
Understandably, the 159 looks like a bigger, chunkier 156 - itself a fair success when it was launched. However, the original didn't turn out to be quite the BMW rival hoped for. A beautiful body was no use when the car broke down...
This time, Alfa is promising reliability, and revamping its dealer network to coincide with the 159's UK debut next February. That way, it will get the start it deserves. Top of the range is the 3.2-litre Q4 version driven here. Powered by a 260bhp V6 and four-wheel drive, it has enjoyed the benefit of an intensive test programme at Germany's notorious Nürburgring. It will be joined by a 1.9-litre model with 160bhp, a 185bhp 2.2 and two turbodiesels boasting 150bhp (1.9-litre) or 200bhp (2.4 five-cylinder).
Alfa's new 'Premium' platform underpins the 159, and will be used for the upcoming Brera coupé, too. Virtually nothing is carried over from the 156, and the petrol engines - all with variable inlet and exhaust timing - are based on General Motors' designs with Alfa-originated cylinder heads.
The Giugiaro-styled body is handsome and adopts an imposing stance. Its tough shoulder line is enhanced from the 156, although the concealed rear door handles have been ditched. Inside, the cabin has a chunkier, higher-quality feel, more space, extra air vents and a starter button. But while the seats and driving position are very comfortable, there are still flaws. The handbrake has been positioned
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to the right of the centre tunnel, hard up against the chair. Frankly, it is a bit of a mess! We also tried the 2.2-litre 159 which, as with the V6, has direct injection. And despite their GM genes, both petrol engines feel and sound like proper Alfa units.
The 2.2 has a crisp exhaust note, revs freely and pulls strongly from low speeds. The V6 is very tuneful, and feels powerful and smooth. On top of that, it has a great high-revs wail. Of the diesels, we drove the 2.4 JTD, which is torquey, long-legged and surprisingly refined. All 159s have six-speed manual transmission, while Selespeed sequential boxes are optional. Do these cars handle well? You bet! Pick of the bunch, not surprisingly, is the all-wheel-drive Q4 V6. Through corners its capable chassis feels assured, and there are huge amounts of grip on offer. Pushed hard, it seems almost rear-driven. The 2.4 JTD is nearly as good but not quite so agile, with its front-wheel drive (4WD is optional) and heavy nose.
Less weight on the leading wheels makes the 2.2 keener into corners at the expense of a more fidgety ride and reduced steering feel. All variants cope with bumps better than a 156, though. The steering response is still ultra-quick, but it is more progressive and the turning circle - woeful in the previous-generation cars - is usefully tighter.
So has Alfa finally created a model that will leave the BMW 3-Series bloodied? It is a tough call. Although the Italian certainly has the style and performance, reliability will not be proven overnight and buyer confidence will take time to build. However, the 159 is definitely a step forward from the 156; we cannot wait to drive one in the UK.
John Simister
Autocar
"The engines - all of them- feel exactly like Alfa engines should. The V6 you could easily mistake for the outgoing unit, with the same all-encompassing smoothness and wide power band, the same growl progressing into a snart when you ask for serious power, except that there's more of it now. This is a serious rival for the finest BMW straight six and performance is well up to the class standard
http://view.fiatautopress.com/photo/1/106-2-4131.jpg
After 4 cars review......autocar wrote for 159-we found the reason not to by german car....as a verdict
The throne of Bmw3 is trembling...
After 4car,Autocar lets see what autoexpress has written?
Alfa Romeo 159
Should Italy's most famous sporty saloon be better than Germany's? Alfa says its 159 - the eagerly anticipated replacement for the 156 - has got what it takes to finally beat the BMW 3-Series; and there is good reason for the firm's optimism.
Understandably, the 159 looks like a bigger, chunkier 156 - itself a fair success when it was launched. However, the original didn't turn out to be quite the BMW rival hoped for. A beautiful body was no use when the car broke down...
This time, Alfa is promising reliability, and revamping its dealer network to coincide with the 159's UK debut next February. That way, it will get the start it deserves. Top of the range is the 3.2-litre Q4 version driven here. Powered by a 260bhp V6 and four-wheel drive, it has enjoyed the benefit of an intensive test programme at Germany's notorious Nürburgring. It will be joined by a 1.9-litre model with 160bhp, a 185bhp 2.2 and two turbodiesels boasting 150bhp (1.9-litre) or 200bhp (2.4 five-cylinder).
Alfa's new 'Premium' platform underpins the 159, and will be used for the upcoming Brera coupé, too. Virtually nothing is carried over from the 156, and the petrol engines - all with variable inlet and exhaust timing - are based on General Motors' designs with Alfa-originated cylinder heads.
The Giugiaro-styled body is handsome and adopts an imposing stance. Its tough shoulder line is enhanced from the 156, although the concealed rear door handles have been ditched. Inside, the cabin has a chunkier, higher-quality feel, more space, extra air vents and a starter button. But while the seats and driving position are very comfortable, there are still flaws. The handbrake has been positioned
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to the right of the centre tunnel, hard up against the chair. Frankly, it is a bit of a mess! We also tried the 2.2-litre 159 which, as with the V6, has direct injection. And despite their GM genes, both petrol engines feel and sound like proper Alfa units.
The 2.2 has a crisp exhaust note, revs freely and pulls strongly from low speeds. The V6 is very tuneful, and feels powerful and smooth. On top of that, it has a great high-revs wail. Of the diesels, we drove the 2.4 JTD, which is torquey, long-legged and surprisingly refined. All 159s have six-speed manual transmission, while Selespeed sequential boxes are optional. Do these cars handle well? You bet! Pick of the bunch, not surprisingly, is the all-wheel-drive Q4 V6. Through corners its capable chassis feels assured, and there are huge amounts of grip on offer. Pushed hard, it seems almost rear-driven. The 2.4 JTD is nearly as good but not quite so agile, with its front-wheel drive (4WD is optional) and heavy nose.
Less weight on the leading wheels makes the 2.2 keener into corners at the expense of a more fidgety ride and reduced steering feel. All variants cope with bumps better than a 156, though. The steering response is still ultra-quick, but it is more progressive and the turning circle - woeful in the previous-generation cars - is usefully tighter.
So has Alfa finally created a model that will leave the BMW 3-Series bloodied? It is a tough call. Although the Italian certainly has the style and performance, reliability will not be proven overnight and buyer confidence will take time to build. However, the 159 is definitely a step forward from the 156; we cannot wait to drive one in the UK.
John Simister
DriftSK":1sx5lub4 ha detto:
non credo secci abbia visto la morte in faccia perche alla alfa hanno voluto fare gli sboroni e tirare fuori 214 cv da un diesel 2.0...
e sopratutto dopo tremila volte che ti porto la maccina in assistenza il discorso macchina fallata, non esiste: uno perche me la fai pagare 10 milioni in piu delle altre, 2 perche non me la vuoi sostituire... intanto la causa va avanti e siamo sempre di piu...
come la TT che partiva di sedere o la classe che si accappottava o la smart pericolossisima...
ci vuole poco a camuffare la mondezza come oro, specie dopo anni che la dai a bere ai clienti.
sakiss":13pca6om ha detto:
@ sakees
I appreciate this article from UK: probably, Alfa need a lot of year before someone can appreciate his models like BMW: i also think that BMW in this years seems to go under with the standard level of construction, probably Alfa wait too much time then Bmw to upgrade his model, but a slow engineering of 159 it's equal to a better quality than a car that is developed in only 6 months! All Italian people need a lot of time to make something, but when our works are finished, no one can reach us! Alfa it's the same...
sorry for my english grammar, often i speak in english language but write is another think! :OK)
errata corrige, sorry sakiss i read only now this monstrousity, well this is the right form:
the slow but accurate engineering of the 159 implies also a quality which will be better than that of cars which are devoloped in only six months...
Gridan/a/6000":2418pj54 ha detto:
dice lui che se il peggio che possono dire é che il freno a mano fa :cesso) e che la guida é un po nervosa, gli sembra che siano (quelli che scrivono ste cose) siano proprio al limite, perchè non sanno + che criticare. Inoltre questo test é stato effettuato dalla bmw
:OK) :OK)
Gridan/a/6000":bctruukf ha detto:
214cv? ma dove? io ero rimasto alla 320d con 140cv... :confusbig)
...comunque chiedi a Secci se era felice la volta che gli si è spenta la Principessa Nasona su via Palmanova, e si è ritrovato di notte in piena corsia e da solo a doverla spingere a rischio di essere travolto dal primo che passava... la sua firma racconta tutto, e mi sa che ve la battete abbastanza alla pari quanto a sfighe...
fidgety: tending to fidget è la definizione più ridicola e inutile della storia della filologia
ora ho guardato sul dizionario :asd) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha)
ora ho guardato sul dizionario :asd) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha) :muaha)
Janpaul":2fux53yf ha detto:
beh quella da 150 era del 99 se non erro, 2002/198---2004/214
un conto è spingere la macchina in città (secci nulla contro di te ma devo fare un appunto) un conto è trovarsi il parabrezza nero di olio e in testacoda all'ingresso di un autostrada, finendo la tua corsa al centro preciso della carreggiata... con un camion in arrivo... che te lo vedi proprio arrivare in faccia... ho visto la morte... grazie Bmw...
Ci date un taglio con sta storia del "questa marca ha più problemi e fa schifo,quella mia è meglio?"
Basta non se ne può veramente più...davvero.
Ogni marca ha i suoi problemi,ogni marca ha le sue macchine sfigate,ogni marca ha delle macchine che danno particolari problemi.
Sono TUTTI sullo stesso piano.
Il giorno che si capirà questo si vivrà meglio e più contenti :nod) :nod) :nod)
@Gridan: Vatti a rileggere bene quel che è capitato a Sergio...vedrai che i rischi che ha corso anche lui non erano da meno dei tuoi...
Basta non se ne può veramente più...davvero.
Ogni marca ha i suoi problemi,ogni marca ha le sue macchine sfigate,ogni marca ha delle macchine che danno particolari problemi.
Sono TUTTI sullo stesso piano.
Il giorno che si capirà questo si vivrà meglio e più contenti :nod) :nod) :nod)
@Gridan: Vatti a rileggere bene quel che è capitato a Sergio...vedrai che i rischi che ha corso anche lui non erano da meno dei tuoi...
Janpaul":20po5bln ha detto:
Assolutamente si...sono macchine,hanno tutte i loro problemi,chi da un verso chi dall'altro.
Poi mi prendessi ad esempio le giapponesi ancora ancora...ma le 3 da te citate proprio no direi...
Janpaul":2vl62zxn ha detto:
Grazie x avermi dato dello *****...detto questo le Audi si rompono tanto quanto le Alfa...mi space deluderti o dilaniare le tue convinzioni ma è così :ka)
Guarda le statistiche e vedrai che le 2 marche non sono poi così distanti in termini di rotture o interventi di assistenza.
Se poi vuoi tenerti le tue convinzioni non c'è nessun problema
:OK)
